you saw wayne lapierre this weekend talking on fox news, and chris wallace was the only person who i've seen really go at wayne lapierre and talk to him person to person about what the flaws in his argument are. short of that you very rarely hear them get put on the defensive in a way that makes other people cringe and perhaps their own membership think they've done this for a long time. they're going to continue to do it for a long time. they're willing to fight to the last left person. they're going to keep on doing what they do, and they've got very powerful enablers. we mentioned harry reid, he has powerful enablers on capitol hill to keep doing what they're doing. >> sam, we have less than a minute left, and you're going to stick around, but what did you think of keith ellison's view of the progressives. >> i think it's a problem. president obama is a centrist democrat whose policies are consistent with that. i think it's important for progressives and liberals to continue to agitate for issues that are important to them as opposed to being a cheerleader for president obama. i don'